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Hitler was raised Catholic, regularly invoked Jesus in his speeches and spoke often of his and the German peoples' "manifest destiny", which isn't very atheist at all. He also thought that he was fighting for God's work by killing Jews, and although he also persecuted the Catholic Church and some Prostestant churches later on, he never ceaed being a theist, in fact, he was actually and always Catholic and was never excommunicated from the Catholic Church and the book "Mein Kampf" was not placed on the Church's index of forbidden books. And yes, the Catholic Church supported Nazis and the killing of the Jews.
And regarding atheism, Hitler opposed it in a 1933 speech in Berlin: "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
And due to Hitler's involvement with the Church, he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion (citation needed?), raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home, and many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teaching: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism
Hitler was actually religious, and yes, the Catholic church is racist, the more you know.
TL;DR: Hitler was a religious dick.
Stop being such an arsewipe.
Historians Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock all agree that Hitler was anti-Christian. This is backed by the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer, and transcripts edited by Martin Bormann contained within "Hitler's Table Talk".
Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."
Many historians have come to the conclusion that Hitler's long term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany. Laurence Rees wrote that "The most persuasive explanation of these statements is that Hitler, as a politician, simply recognised the practical reality of the world he inhabited... Had Hitler distanced himself or his movement too much from Christianity it is all but impossible to see how he could ever have been successful in a free election"
Ironic, really, given the author's stamp...
Also, it's rather hilarious how Koda couldn't counter your points. It's quite comical how these people cringe and get all huffy when they're presented with facts that counter their moronic historical revisionism.
Different versions of historical revisionism; if it's supported, revisions become the mainstream, if not then they stay radical. I quite like history as subject, but I don't place much faith in anything that's rubber-stamped as "official" unless there's good, rational, supporting evidence that fits. Koda is making claims that are "official" for some people, but don't have the supporting evidence to back them unless he cherrypicks and plays semantic games.
I get tired off that sort of crap.
He outlawed abortion because he was obsessed with growing more German babies.
Homosexuals were considered as mentally ill at the time, plus they couldnt be fathers and mothers (again the idea of spreading Aryan race). Banning homosexuality had little to do with religion.
Corporal punishment is not a Christian thing you sicko.
On the other hand marxism and eugenics (two fundamentals of Nazism) are two atheist thingies. Just saying.
Just quit the antagonizing bullshit. Just because he was an atheist (or does it matter really) doesnt mean atheism is evil.
LOL, maybe you should read your bible because corporal punishment was essentially the only type of punishment in the bible, advocated for BY the bible.
"On the other hand marxism and eugenics (two fundamentals of Nazism) are two atheist thingies. "
No they aren't. Atheism is simply the lack of a belief in god claims: That has nothing to do with either Marxism or Eugenics.
You are going to have to accept that all evidence overwhelmingly suggests that Hitler was Christian.
Nope, sorry but your holy book, the supposedly perfect word of your chosen god, the thing you are meant to be aspiring to is predicated on the idea of punishment, in which corporal punishment is the go to. Heck that's the entire premise of the original sin concept & the ridiculous scape-goating that results in the entire second act.
So no, those two things can't be compared: Objectively atheism has nothing to do with either Eugenics or Marxism. Unfortunately for your position, Christianity specifically DOES objectively have something to do with corporal punishment, by your own words & the words of your supposedly inerrant holy text.
What you just attempted to create is called a false dichotomy.
That's why I didn't bother to answer your question, because it was both malformed & irrelevant to our discussion.
Now about the science of eugenics
If it's used and politically implemented to improve the human race, isnt it an ideology?
Would it be used on such a broad scale by someone who believes God created humans?
Just quit the "atheism vs christianity" fake dichotomy and suddenly History is less conveniently simple as "Hitler was/wasnt a Christian".
Except it was: Plato discussed such a concept 400 BCE to make a guardian class of protectors, an idea put into practice by the Spartans (who practiced a brutal form of survival of the fittest selective breeding). It was practiced by countless royal lines across Europe through out history on the basis of the flawed concept of "royal blood lines" among humans (with disastrous results).
THIS is why your statement is both malformed (in that you are making incorrect assumptions about history) & also irrelevant to this discussion.
As for why it became popular in the late 1800's & early 1900's is simply because the naturalist mechanism was accurately explained for the first time.
At which point the British Eugenics Education Society and the American Eugenics Society were created. Both sought & received support from leading clergymen, and modified their message to meet religious ideals. (Citation in case you are interested in doing some actual reading shm.oxfordjournals.org/content… )
"Just quit the "atheism vs christianity" fake dichotomy"
There is no "Atheism vs Christianity" in this conversation: There is just your misunderstanding of history & the facts that demonstrate your misunderstanding of history.
Hitler was into spiritualism and paganism, consulted medians and psychics, and hated the Jews and others who the bible says Christians should love. He exalted "Aryans" based on old Euro/Hindu pagan ideas. As were the symbols of Nazism. the swastiki a Hindu/Norse pagan symbol and other pagan mystical Runes were everywhere in Nazi art, uniforms, rings etc.. Himler, Hitler's right hand, has overtly committed to occultism, Hitler shut down church orgs and church youth groups as competition to the party loyalty. Five days after becoming Chancellor in 1933, had the Catholic Youth League disbanded. The latter it was applied to other youth organizations too in order to free up young people to join the Hitler Youth. When the Church organized voluntary out-of-hours religious classes, the Nazi government responded by banning state-employed teachers from taking part.
A Hitler Youth marching song sung was: "We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel, Away with incense and Holy Water, The Church can go hang for all we care, The Swastika brings salvation on Earth. "
Hitler had school children sing "HITLER is my savior" "Hitler is my Lord" the way we say the pledge of allegiance in the U.S. .www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1azHY…
Hitler produced propaganda film (played in every theater in Germany) that promoted euthanasia because kindness to the weak and infirm (Christianity) was a "transgression" against the laws of "natural selection" - evolution-. The Whole racial superiority issues was couched in "evolutionary science" and survival of the fittest. With a wrapper of pagan Teutonic Bloodline cult pride.
If you ignore all the above and still claim that Hitler was "a christian" you're just not being honest.
the fact is Hitler used Christianity politically until he didn't need it. But wrote that it would be overthrown by his weird stew of Aryan supremacist scientific paganism, Nazism.
It's just pop anti-thesit propaganda that promotes the idea that "Hitler was a Christian"
the more you know...
Oh, wait, didn't Stalin kill 50 million people? That's right! He was a militant atheist that killed religious people, among others.
Guess atheists are bad too. XP
The person who made this stamp is being somewhat hypocritical. I will admit that.
I am not sorry.
But valid point.
I'm a Christian, but I will never bring the topic of Adolf Hitler when it comes to a conversation about religion. Each day I spend on the internet, my shame of believing in Christ grows.
I copy and pasted this article from Wikipedia (don't believe me look it up Adolf Hitler on their site and go to his religious views), it disagrees with you.
Hitler was born to a practising Catholic mother and an anticlerical father, but after leaving home Hitler never again attended Mass or received the sacraments. Speer states that Hitler made harsh pronouncements against the church to his political associates and though he never officially left it, he had no attachment to it. He adds that Hitler felt that in the absence of the church the faithful would turn to mysticism, which he considered a step backwards. According to Speer, Hitler believed that either Japanese religious beliefs or Islam would have been a more suitable religion for the Germans than Christianity, with its "meekness and flabbiness". Historian John S. Conway states that Hitler was fundamentally opposed to the Christian churches. According to Bullock, Hitler did not believe in God, was anticlerical, and held Christian ethics in contempt because they contravened his preferred view of "survival of the fittest". He favoured aspects of Protestantism that suited his own views, and adopted some elements of the Catholic Church's hierarchical organisation, liturgy, and phraseology in his politics.
Hitler viewed the church as an important politically conservative influence on society, and he adopted a strategic relationship with it that "suited his immediate political purposes". In public, Hitler often praised Christian heritage and German Christian culture, though professing a belief in an "Aryan Jesus", one who fought against the Jews. Any pro-Christian public rhetoric was at variance with his personal beliefs, which described Christianity as "absurdity" and nonsense founded on lies.
According to a U.S. Office of Strategic Services report, "The Nazi Master Plan", Hitler planned to destroy the influence of Christian churches within the Reich. His eventual goal was the total elimination of Christianity. This goal informed Hitler's movement very early on, but he saw it as inexpedient to express this extreme position publicly. According to Bullock, Hitler wanted to wait until after the war before executing this plan.
Speer wrote that Hitler had a negative view of Himmler's and Alfred Rosenberg's mystical notions and Himmler's attempt to mythologise the SS. Hitler was more pragmatic, and his ambitions centred on more practical concerns.
And what the heck are you talking about? The Catholic Church as a whole was NEVER allied with the Nazis! I am no Catholic, but even I know this is an utter bullshit lie. When Italy was under control of Mussolini's fascists, Hitler was gearing up to smash Europe into a billion pieces and one of the worst horrors ever perpetrated was just around the corner. Pius XII took one look at the unfolding insanity and said "not on my watch" like a true badass he was. Although he started cautiously, by early 1940, he was mediating negotiations between British Intelligence and some pissed-off German high brass hoping to assassinate Hitler. He passed on sensitive coded information for the allies and, in 1942, became one of the few people in Europe to speak out against Hitler, using a radio address to explictly condemn the Nazi's racial cleansing program: "[The Nazis]...are in reality only miserable plagarists who dress old errors with new tinsel. It does not make any difference whether they flock to the banners of social revolution, whether they flock to the banners of social revolution, whether they are guided by a false concept of the world and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition of a race and blood cult." Amidst all of the chaos he even awesomely, helped shelter and ship HUNDREDS of Jews out of German reach! Sadly, he also failed to speak out against the slaughter of Catholics in Poland and may have known about the Nazi extermination program long before he did anything about it. Nevertheless, you can never deny that he was the only continental European leader to openly tell Hitler to go fuck himself through his action.
On a completely random note, maybe it's just me, but... why the hell does everyone talk about Hitler and the Nazis when it comes to the topic of WWII?!! What about those fucking Japanese imperialists?! Did World War II only occur in fucking Europe?! Why don't I hear any stamp about the Japanese war crimes that should be known to everyone? And say whatever you want, but I can confidently say that the Japanese imperialists were much, MUCH worse than the Nazis in any way and for good reasons! This site has indeed been infested by the hordes of white/American weeaboos with a shallow, narrow mind and perspective of things.